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Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.12.17 05:15:00 -
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Are you operating all these operations by yourself ? If you aren't alone how are profits splitted between you and your associates ? I don't find any indications that leads me to think that your profits are shared with other associates...
If people are mining ice for you, for instance, you shouldn't claim that VLI has an income of 160mil+ per day becasue of course, it should be their income right ? So if everything is right it should be you and your alts mining, doing PI, doing reactions, and so on. I don't find it likely at all. This represents an incredible amount of work for a single personn.
Let's take the ice business for exemple, you claim that you have a daily income of roughly 137mil. A quick glance at EFT indicates that with a retriever that you are using the income per hour is around 3mil isk, let's be generous and say that you have an income of 5 mil isk per hour. Even with 10 alts all mining it takes 3 hours just to make 137mil... So you should be kinda busy with that already, right ?
Oh but that's just a tiny part of your business, you are also updating orders, fuelling towers, doing reactions, doing a lot of PI... And now real life is kinda busy but you still find some spare time to run sites in a wormhole. Isn't life extroadinary ?
Unless you have some kind of incredible explanation, this is quite clearly a scam. But i have to say a well thought-out one, your wall of text is impressive. |
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:59:00 -
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Firts thing first this is my first char, and i have made enough money via market to know what i am talking about. But we are not really discussing my credibility here because i am not asking for 40 billions !
Mining 860 units of ice with 3 chars plus an orca will take around 11hours, oh but you are not really efficient... Putting a dozens of orders in Jita and updating them every hours would make more profit, much more.
After that it's your word against mine but seriously managing 45 (!) planets take quite some time, i have done PI before, and it's clearly not in the range of a couple minutes each day. So total you are probably logged in for 12-14 hours each day. Don't burn out !
Oh now you have two towers for reaction ? |
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:30:00 -
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I haven't done math here, i used isk per hour.
Oh and i do math for a living  but that's another story...
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Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.12.19 19:15:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:I like this thread.
Careful or the OP will accuse you of being an alt !  |
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.12.20 04:05:00 -
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Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:Debra Tao wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:I like this thread. Careful or the OP will accuse you of being an alt ! Or just being terrible at math... 
That too ... doing the usual computation = math approximation. |
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.01.06 22:51:00 -
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clamslayer wrote:^^^ All that really isnt relevant to our discussion. What is relevant is the FACT that whenever players with no track records of dealing with the community take isk without giving collateral it turns out to be a scam.
Eve history has shown this again and again.
Even if i am a relatively new player (new alt according to Joshua but whatever) i have already seen numerous uncolaterized bond being legit. Of course there are also many many scams.
I still suspect this one to be a scam but as i don't want to put too much effort into it i won't elaborate in that. But if you want to be precise it's the historic of this bond that makes it likely to be a scam, not really the fact that it has no colleral. |
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.01.07 00:04:00 -
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The only person that i know of doing audit is Vaerah Vahrokha and i think that he won't do an audit on an ongoing project, he takes his business way too seriously for that. So actually no third party is willing to do such an audit. |
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.01.14 12:51:00 -
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What Ponzi scheme ??? Hell no he is obviously legit when he says he is mining 8 hours a day each day... plus PI, report, market and so on |
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.01.14 21:20:00 -
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clamslayer wrote:Debra Tao wrote:What Ponzi scheme ??? Hell no he is obviously legit when he says he is mining 8 hours a day each day... plus PI, report, market and so on He can be doing all of the above, and still be running a ponzi scheme. The only way that he can prove he isnt a scammer is by offering full collateral for invested isk. That isnt going to happen, what is going to happen is he is going to run with your isk debra, once the overall pile is big enough. Until he runs, he will continue to pay monthly interest to investors with their invested principle, ponzi scam. Eve history has shown this again and again. there hasnt been an exception, and it isnt going to be Josh.
look at my post on page 2... |
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.01.14 22:11:00 -
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clamslayer wrote:Debra Tao wrote:clamslayer wrote:Debra Tao wrote:What Ponzi scheme ??? Hell no he is obviously legit when he says he is mining 8 hours a day each day... plus PI, report, market and so on He can be doing all of the above, and still be running a ponzi scheme. The only way that he can prove he isnt a scammer is by offering full collateral for invested isk. That isnt going to happen, what is going to happen is he is going to run with your isk debra, once the overall pile is big enough. Until he runs, he will continue to pay monthly interest to investors with their invested principle, ponzi scam. Eve history has shown this again and again. there hasnt been an exception, and it isnt going to be Josh. look at my post on page 2... No and I'm not going to. Unless it mentions you recieving collateral for your isk it means nothing to me.
I actually try to demonstrate that this is a scam and why it is oh so suspicious. |
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.01.15 04:36:00 -
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Molic Blackbird wrote:
It is not true. I've talked with Josh in a public chat channel. That is the extent of my relationship with him. I have no idea what sort of relationship you are hinting at exists. I'm communicating with you in this forum, does that mean we now have some sort of secret relationship?
Are you implying what i think you are implying ? |
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:33:00 -
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You are Josh's alt you don't need it. |
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